great information if your thinking of the MZT upgrade or K&N CAI..must read!

[snyper94z28]

hey guys, here is a dynoed comparo with the MZT (maruader or 04 up vic air assembly) mod and tune, versus a CAI and a tune (even though its not k&N it still gonna be the same results. basically K&N with tune vs MZT with tune is pretty darn close. heres the link..(MZT stands for Marauder intake, Zip tube, Tune)

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MZT gives about 3 more HP and about 5 pds TQ over cheaper CAI.

if you go with just the CAI or Marauder type intake and no tune the numbers are identical. only after you get a tune (a must with the MZT) are the numbers ever so slightly different. then you get 3 hp and 5 pds tq more with the MZT. when you get the MZT you get a 80 mm MAF vs stock 70 MM. in theory you could get a cheap CAI, adapt the 80 mm MAF and a tune and save 200 -240 bucks.

conclusion? if you want the stock look then go with MZT, if your going for money vs mods then the CAI and a tune is close enough, and you will save about 200-240 bucks

[Nazrom]

Very good contribution, thank you for the post.

[Interceptor]

I don't know.. I love my K&N FIPK! Nothing beats that 1,000,000 mile warranty, especially that deep growl at wide open throttle.

[Jake]

especially that deep growl at wide open throttle.

Amen!

[snyper94z28]

all that extra money just for sound? lol a fool and his money are soon departed.

now me, i go for hp not sound. just because the k and n makes a neat sound doesnt justify spending all the extra money just for that. if you buy the ebay special with the cone filter you get the same results and they cost 60 bucks.


to each their own i guess. just really makes zero sense just to buy something because of the sound it makes.

i think the best thing about the test results is that there really isnt such thing as a hot air intake as people always try to say. once the car starts to move the air temp is almost identical.

[Jake]

all that extra money just for sound? lol a fool and his money are soon departed.

now me, i go for hp not sound. just because the k and n makes a neat sound doesnt justify spending all the extra money just for that. if you buy the ebay special with the cone filter you get the same results and they cost 60 bucks.

It isn't all sound. The sound is a bonus. It emcompasses research and development which in turn gives you more HP as well as better MPG (if you can keep your foot out of it listening to the growl). Its also a million mile guarantee.

Its also a shroud around the filter specifically designed for your vehicle to maximize cold air intake while eliminating the intake of engine heat.

Additionally don't forget that Interceptor and I live in California, the most regulated state in the union and home of the biannual mandatory smog inspection. K&N has spent the money to get their product EPA approved in all states. Those eBay bargain intakes are not smog legal anywhere.

To me, it would be a major PITA to have to change my air intake every two years for the mandatory inspection.

Fool? You may think so. I honestly believe you get what you pay for. But as you stated "to each their own".

[snyper94z28]

you need to read the article again, there isnt such thing as a hot air intake. virtually no difference when the car is moving. you changed your answer after i responded. yes ok you live in CA so it would make sense to get a intake CARB exempt.

i said it makes zero sense to just buy an intake purely for sound, as you first posted. if you actually have read the article and my response i said money wise it would be just as good to use the k&N as it would be to use the MZT mod, and i stated for those who have to get inspected the MZT mod would look stock and pass these inspections. if your car is a 2004-up the K&N gives zero advantage over what the car already has stock. so buying a K&N CAI for 04-up it a complete waste of money. yes i see your car isnt a 04 i am merely making this statement for others reading this that might.

[Jake]

virtually no difference when the car is moving.

I disagree with that; all the hot air cannot be elimated when moving; you have cool air being sucked through the radiator (ahead of your intake) for what reason? To cool the radiator which in turn heats the air and flows backwards. If you have an open intake that warm air gets sucked ito it.

you changed your answer after i responded.

What are you talking about? I didn't change anything.

i stated for those who have to get inspected the MZT mod would look stock and pass these inspections.

I'm not sure that is accurate in California as it is not just a visual inspection.

if your car is a 2004-up the K&N gives zero advantage over what the car already has stock. so buying a K&N CAI for 04-up it a complete waste of money.

Agreed.


So how much does the MZT mod and an 80mm MAF cost? How do you calculate a $200 - $240 savings? Even at retail a FIPK kit runs under $300. So I can conclude a Marauder intake, zip tube, tune and an 80mm MAF will cost only $100 - $160? If so, I wanna buy parts where you do.

I know I'm the exception (and lucky) but I bought my FIPK used on eBay for $99.

[snyper94z28]

you can use your opinion to disagree all you want, but the facts is what i use and the fact is once the car is moving the air temp is within3-7 degrees, read the article as well as the results, the answer (Facts) are right in front of you.

your original answer was you bought it because you like the sound, later you posted after my response a different answer, so yes you changed.

its 100% accurate in CA for as its a stock replacement part from ford, doesnt have to be from the same year (little thinking here-use a 04 up CVPI air assembly) basically identical to the marauder with a little less flowing 80mm MAF) still stock in the eyes of emissions.

reread the post slowly, i said you can get the cheap intake off ebay, a 80mm MAF and a tune and get relatively the same results as the MZT mod, thus saving 200-240 dollars. i will help you figure this out ok..

MZT set up new is around 450-600 depending where you buy it

JLT intake is 119 plus 100 for a tune equals 219, so lets say 220.

450 subtract 220 equal..dun dun dun 230 dollars. and thats as basic as i can break it down.

and by the way the million mile warranty only applies to a new product bought from an authorized dealer, buying used off ebay you no longer (technically) have a warranty. and unless they changed it recently only the filter is covered for a million miles anyway.

no need to get upset because someone proves your opinion wrong with facts, its ok. its funny how your "opinion" somehow is right and two separate test show otherwise. MM&FF magazine did this test, so did a friend of mine that i give the link to and BOTH show zero gains below 100 MPH.
and you counterpointed yourself with the cooler air through the radiator response. a car moving at 55 mph is flowing air into and around the engine compartment. look again at the test, without clicking on it myself the temp with the hood down went up something like 40 degrees, with the hood open (representing movement) the temp with the so called HAI was only 7 degrees off from a CAI setup. those are facts, not opinions.

sorry buy in the real world opinions are great, but facts are truth and even better. you can keep thinking what you want, just like the article states in the beginning, no matter how much proof you have some people will always disagree. theres nothing wrong with disagreeing, your entitled to it. for me if i disagree and proved wrong otherwise i change my opinion.
now im not saying you shouldnt worry about routing fresh air into it, im saying its not a big of a difference then people think. and as for routing a tube from the air assembly out to the front of the car its zero difference unless you hit 100 mph then you start to see the difference. if you plan on racing in a circle track or similar then yeah do it, for street use? worthless.

[snyper94z28]

heres a little test for your under hood CAI...buy a cheap thermometer, like the kind the sits flat or whatever, place it into your CAI next to the filter and drive for awhile, then check the temp on the thermometer. now do the same thing but place the thermometer on the outside of the box close to the same place you just did inside by the filter, tell me the difference in the temps. dont wait 5 mins befoee you check, drive and check it right away. that will show you how much difference there us. thats the best i can do for you, you wont believe anyone else or anything else so maybe you will believe yourself.